i mean remember on this day, in 2000, al gore was ahead of george w. bush by two points. bush was leading him by about three points going into the last weekend, it went all the way to the supreme court. at this point, in 1980, carter was leading reagan by four. there was a gallup with five days left that had him up by six. so, i'm not particularizing this to chuck. but the pollsters and the press don't decide who shows up. the people who decide who shows up are the people who are knocking on doors, ringing doorbells, making phone calls and i think there's going to be a lot of surprises. >> ed rendell, a lot of republicans, like ralph like to go back to the reagan race. the difference is i've discussed this week with some pollsters. he was 20 points up after his this convention. we've seen his ability to create wide swings, we haven't seen that in this race. we're in a much more polarized time in this election. >> look, we all know that the challenger gets a big bump in the first debate. there's no question. just appearing on the stage with the president, looking president